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April 7, 2024

How to Hold True to our Heritage and Principles with Dr Jeffrey Wack DC – Chiro Hustle Podcast 550

Dr. Wack grew up in Califon, NJ. After graduating from Voorhees High School he attended the County College of Morris in Randolph, NJ. He went on to study chiropractic at the Sherman College of Chiropractic in Spartanburg, SC. Dr. Wack graduated Sherman College in 1986 and began practice in Mt. Pleasant, Pa. After 5 years in a group practice he went out on his own in Harrison City, Pa. And after another 5 years he moved to Nazareth, Pa and has been in the same location since January of 1997. Dr. Wack is a member of the Sherman College Board of Regents, The New Beginnings Inner Circle, The Chiropractic Fellowship of Pennsylvania and the ICA. He regularly attends New Beginnings seminars in New Jersey and has studied under some of the best in the chiropractic profession such as Vern Pierce, Wes Trout, Reggie Gold, Jim Sigafoose and many others who have brought the profession to the forefront. He operates a subluxation-based office that accepts only cash clients and has no plans to retire as he loves to have his hands on people and see how chiropractic can change their lives.

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JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  You made it to Chiro Hustle! Sit back and learn from the greatest influencers in the profession on the world's number one chiropractic podcast. Before we dive into this powerful episode, please remember to subscribe to our channels and give us a 5-star rating on iTunes to continue hustling.

This episode is sponsored by the Transact Card, A-Line life, Brain-Based Health Solutions, Chiro HD, Imaging Services, Chiro Health USA, Chiro Moguls, Pure Chiro Notes, Titronics, Sherman College of Chiropractic, New Patients in a Box, Life Chiropractic College West, Pro Hockey Chiros, Pro Baseball Chiros, the IFCO, and 100% Chiropractic. Let's hustle!

LUKE MILLETT (PRODUCER):  Hey guys, welcome to episode 550 of the Chiro Hustle Podcast. I'm your producer, Luke Millett, and here's your host, James Chester.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  So today we have the opportunity of having Dr. Jeffrey Wack on the podcast, and today we discuss how to hold true to our heritage and stand strong on the principles of chiropractic philosophy. For this episode, stay tuned. Welcome back. This is another episode of the Chiro Hustle Podcast. Today I have Jeffrey Wack on with me. He's coming out in New Jersey. We've had a bit of a hiatus with the Chiro Hustle Podcast. It's been six weeks, so this is our first show in six weeks, guys. I'm really excited to get back to you, I'm really excited to talk about chiropractic and what it means for the profession, what it means for the people that need chiropractic, and what it means for the practitioners. But before we get into this episode, I'm just going to let you know our big why. Why do we do it? We do over here. Well, first things first is freedom of speech, Second Amendment. We believe in freedom of speech. I know what it's like to be shadow band. I'm a small potato in this world. I know what it means to have freedom of speech. So our platform gives freedom of speech to everyone in the chiropractic profession. We never censored anyone. We never will. We believe in medical freedom of family health freedom. They're not the same things, but you have to understand that we need to hold the line with medical freedoms in our culture. I do believe that chiropractors are the ones to hold up that truth and that standard for medical freedom for families. And we do believe in in intelligence and universal intelligence, which are philosophy within chiropractic. And a lot of times people forget that philosophy is a part of chiropractic. I know we're going to talk about that today also. And we protect the sacred trust. BJ Palmer's last words. If you don't know what the sacred trust is, go and do a quick search on whatever your favorite search engine is to stop right now, stop this interview and go look, what is BJ Palmer sacred trust? And you're going to learn so much more about chiropractic than you previously knew. I guarantee you. And then last but not least, I'm really excited to have Dr. Jeffery on here today. I met him a handful of times now over the past couple of years. We've had a chance to be at a New Beginnings before. And I can't remember the other places that we've come in and touch with each other over the past couple of months, maybe Sherman. And it's been really an honor to get to know you and thank you for taking the opportunity to be on with this show. I know you do support Sherman College of Chiropractic, New Beginnings, and the ICA. And those are really like, I believe, fundamental foundations for this profession to stand on. So thank you for doing that. And as we roll into today's episode, one of my favorite segments is your story and telling your story about chiropractic. So if you would mind share with us, how did you get into chiropractic? And maybe you could share with our audience a little bit that don't know you. And your position is with the chiropractic and how did you become the guy you are today with it?

DR JEFF WACK DC (GUEST):  Well, Jim, thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it. It's an honor to be on with all the other notable people you've interviewed over the past few years. And I hope my sharing gives somebody something they can take with them into their life, into their practice and just improve things within themselves. I am from Pennsylvania, not New Jersey. Oh, so you would just go in New Jersey. I'm on the eastern side of the state, so I'm real close. And I did grow up in New Jersey, so close enough. But anyway, when I was about five years old, I had some really bad headaches. And my parents, you know, in 1967, the first course of action was bare orange flavored children's aspirin. And I would take the aspirin and while my headache would subside, my eyes would swell up, but I had an allergic reaction to aspirin, which turns out was a good thing because they didn't know what else to do. And my dad knew of a chiropractor, not far from us. And we lived in a rural area. My town is one square mile with a thousand people. So we found this guy who was in the middle of a Tulane Road in the middle of Farm Country. Dr. Marr, he had a ranch house with a home office and a circular driveway where you just pull in, get out, get adjusted, get in your car and go out the other side and go home. And I remember vaguely in my brain how I laid down. I looked up and saw the fluorescent light above the table laying on my back. He did a diversified adjustment on me. And I don't recall if my parents, how many times they took me back or even if they did, but I know from that point forward, I didn't have any more headaches. And that was really cool. So excuse me, as time progressed, I grew into a teenager. I did a lot of things like ride motorcycles, a lot of active stuff. And I'm an only child. So we lived on nine acres, I had four in my own entertainment, swinging on vines, playing in a barn, that kind of stuff. And probably some looks at myself numerous times. And when I was about 16, I had real bad sinus and allergy problems. And they just wouldn't go away. I tried the antibiotic route. Did two or three different rounds of that with different types of antibiotics. And I would get initial relief, but never total resolution of my allergy symptoms. And then my dad was going to a different chiropractor at the time and said, talk to him about my situation. And he said, hey, why don't you bring him in? He got nothing to lose to all of the, you know, can we get adjusted? Same thing, laid on my back. I remember seeing the lights on the table and boom, he rattled my atlas. And it just, I felt it all the way down to my toes. And the next day I was probably 75% better. And initially I just went back for the resolution of my allergies. And it did very well with that, but being in a very independent person, I always wanted to have my own business of some sort. And I said to myself, well, geez, you know, chiropractic, it's great because I can help these people without drugs or surgery. And I can make my own hours because I'm independent guy. So, you know, I want to do what I want to do when I want to do it. And that was one of the major appeals for me. So he was a Palmer graduate and recommended that I look into Sherman College. And we had gone down the Sherman and I liked it because I grew up in a small town with small classroom sizes. The county college I went to was a small community college and Sherman was perfect. We had 16 or 18 kids when I started in January of 1983. And you knew everybody at the school, which is what appeals to me. You know, the big university model is great for some people. But for me, it's about relationships and pretty much knowing everybody you passed in the hallway from day to day. So I went to Sherman. I remember the first class I had was Tom Gielardi's philosophy class. I think it was philosophy 801. I just saw Tom down at Lyceum back in May, still kick in. It's amazing the story of him and Betty and how all of their friends started that college. But when he started talking about universal intelligence and innate intelligence, it just the lifeboat went on. Like, this is what I'm here for. I thought I was just coming to learn how to adjust people and, you know, have my own business and live my life the way I wanted and realize that that moment in that class on that first day that I have more of a purpose being a chiropractor than just somebody who cracks backs. And once you learn about civilization and the effect it has on the human body and restricts an individual from adapting to their environment, which can lead to interpersonal relationship problems, work problems, everything chemically stressing the body. It's a life saving and life changing profession and that's really the big idea is to get out there and spread that message.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  So I love the story, man. I love that it comes from family roots. And a lot of times that's how people are looking for something. They look to like somebody else that's had a good result with it. And they're like, well, how can this help me too? And I think, you know, after I've done marketing event after marketing event after marketing event, I tell everybody like, look, the people that are going to come in here, treat them like gold, dream like your parents, dream like your mom, dream like your dad, dream like your kids. Because if you do that, then the 50 people I'm going to set you send into you, you're going to be able to convert those people. And before you know, you're going to have a 300 people visit a week practice and you're going to have a very healthy lifestyle. And you're going to be able to actually take care of people with real chiropractic. But if you don't take care of those people like you would take care of your child or your mom or your dad or people that you love, then you're probably not going to be able to grow a sustainable practice. Correct. So it's cool that, you know, you got referred in, you know, because of the experiences that your dad had with chiropractor, right?

DR JEFF WACK DC (GUEST):  Yeah, it was just, you know, again, I don't believe anything happens by chance. I was meant to be there that adjustment was meant to be given that changed my life and the direction of my life. And as a result, all the people I've touched. And that's, man, when you, you know, it's like when we go to seminars and you, you just share when I've had a chance to speak to people, you know, if you can just touch that one person or give them that one thing that sparks something in them that makes them go that extra mile, even if they see five more people the following week, that could potentially be, you know, it's 10 more people the following week and so on and so on. And then if you multiply that by all the different people in the audience, it's just that's what I enjoy about this profession is the connection that we have with our chiropractic brothers and sisters. And it's really, really unique and it's not found in other healthcare professions.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Yeah. And I think, you know, when you really look at it from like an outside perspective, like me not being a chiropractor, and you come into a room like that, like it's all strike, it's all striking because you're in a room full of hundreds of thousands of adjustments. And I think a lot of times the profession takes that for granted. They take for granted the philosophy, they take for granted the heritage, they take for granted the amount of impact that an organization like New Beginnings or Sherman College of Chiropractic have had on this profession. And we're always looking for more. But sometimes we need to look back at it all and say, look, this is really awesome. And now I'm in the room of a million adjustments. Whoa.

DR JEFF WACK DC (GUEST):  Yeah, it's the foundation of our profession that really put us on the map. And it's really the only thing that's going to keep us on the map. And we need to acknowledge all those that came before us and not forget to tell the younger chiropractors that, hey, there were people that went to jail for the right to do this because they believed in the principal. They weren't making a ton of money. And certainly when they're locked up, they weren't making any money. So Herbert Reaver is our most ever incarcerated chiropractor. That's his one of his claims to fame. But as soon as he got out, he would go right back and open his office again. And he had so much conviction in the fact that the world needs what we have, that that wasn't a stumbling point for him. He would just do it because he knew it was right because he knew that he knew that he

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  knew. Well, that's why a major premise of this show is protecting the sacred truth. And he would just trust and telling people to go find that document and to go read about it because then they might have a little bit more gumption to go do the right thing for the profession and learn about some of the philosophy. Yeah.

DR JEFF WACK DC (GUEST):  It's a tough thing right now with new students because, you know, number one, when I went to school, there was two parts of national boards. Now there's four. And you know, if you don't pass one, you can't go on to the next one. And then there's months between, which is something we've been working on on a national level, trying to get the test given more frequently. So these kids don't have to wait six months between exams all the time and flounder doing nothing when they've got a mountain of debt, which they never used to have.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  And here's the thing too, making pay once. Why do you have to repay for something you've already paid for? Like, it's not this fact that you're actually going to take up more space. You're just trying to pass the damn test.

DR JEFF WACK DC (GUEST):  Right. And to be perfectly honest, you know, our four parts really necessary. I mean, chiropractic is really not that complicated. Once you know your anatomy and physiology, other than adjusting and x-raying people, that's really the skills that you need to get into an office. And of course, the skill of communication. I mean, I can't stress enough how important being able to explain what you do is because you don't do what other professions do. And you have to be clear to people that it's not like going to the general practitioner or their family doctor that they go to. I went to my other doctor last week that they always say, so we have to be clear on what our objectives are and get them to understand that. And that's how families get started. And it just, you know, breeds that generational chiropractic client, which is not for the doctor. It's for the sake of humanity. And if you do it for the sake of humanity, anything you want, you will have. You know, the money comes as a byproduct of the service. The service doesn't provide the money. You know, it's something that happens because you're doing what's right and you're doing it for the right reasons. And it just, it comes to you as a reward from the universe.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Yeah. And I'll just be clear to people. I'll tell everybody out there like doing the right thing isn't always easy. It's not always financially strong to always do the right thing. But when you do the right thing for a beautiful professional like chiropractic. Now your children's children can get adjusted. Right.

DR JEFF WACK DC (GUEST):  And not to offend anybody on here that may be watching, but we see a lot and we've discussed this, some of the veterans that I know of how, you know, these young kids come out of school. And yeah, they got a lot of debt and they want to try to pay it down quickly. But they're using a business model where they're basically putting their name on the office, bringing in other doctors to make them the money to pay off their debt. And those doctors come and go. They don't really get a rewarding experience for the most part, the ones I've talked to. And that's, you know, you've got to be in the office. If you're going to take the time to get the degree, you have to represent and put at least a decade or two in your office yourself and not rely on other people to pay your debts for you. So it's really, you know, a concept that I think needs to start going away. And we can only do that by having veterans like myself explain to them the importance of actually being there, being present and not relying on others to pay down your debt for it.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  And that's the thing too. Maybe those practitioners that come in and co-run an office, are they even getting adjusted? Do they know the principles of chiropractic? Do they know the philosophy of chiropractic? Do they know what the profession stands for? You know, I think that that's an important thing too is everybody that comes in and works under the flagship of a chiropractic practice, all those people should be getting, you know, educated on what it means to get adjusted, how it connects to the nervous system, how that connects to the organ system, how that connects to any intelligence, how that connects to vitality, how that connects to a life of years and years to life. You know, all these things that chiropractic has been the foundation, the bedrock of, are the people that work inside your office getting adjusted and are you getting adjusted? I think that that's the most important thing is being congruent with the mission.

DR JEFF WACK DC (GUEST):  Right? And I think also one of the things that really helped me over the years were the Sigafu's gathering seminars and there's nothing like that really out there today. But I think what we have to do is as individuals find out who we are because a lot of people go out there and man, when I first came out of school, I'm just trying to grasp on the things to help me teach people. So when I would go to a Sigafu seminar and he'd show me how he uses a split chart, I bought a split chart and I wrote down his script. And I said his words, but they weren't mine. I didn't own it. You know, some people need that, but I'm not one of those people. I had to find out my voice, what works for me, what connects me with my patients and how do I get my point across being true to me as an individual?

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  You made it to Chiro Hustle! Sit back and learn from the greatest influencers in the profession on the world's number one chiropractic podcast. Please remember to subscribe to our channels and give us a 5-star rating on iTunes to continue hustling.

This episode is sponsored by the Transact Card, A-Line life, Brain-Based Health Solutions, Chiro HD, Imaging Services, Chiro Health USA, Chiro Moguls, Pure Chiro Notes, Titronics, Sherman College of Chiropractic, New Patients in a Box, Life Chiropractic College West, Pro Hockey Chiros, Pro Baseball Chiros, the IFCO, and 100% Chiropractic. Let's hustle!

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Yeah, I've constantly thought about this idea of putting on a free adjusting seminar where I got three to five real deal chiropractors and it wasn't state-affiliated, it wasn't group-affiliated, it was just James Chester and Chiro Hustle's going to put on a world-class adjusting seminar and we're going to allow every chiropractic student under the sun come for free and I just want them to learn how to adjust for masters because I think that if we want to get back to chiropractors, understanding chiropractic, then we need to have them understand that the adjustment's the one thing that sets chiropractic apart from everyone else out there in any field doesn't even matter the medical arena, it just matters the healing art of chiropractic and that's done by the adjustment. So if we, like you said, if these students are coming out of school and not to offend anybody and they don't know how to adjust and they're building their practice with other practitioners to try to pay down debt load and they don't know how to do chiropractic, we need to figure out how to resource them to where they know how to actually deliver the goods and not become referral sources for the other medical models.

DR JEFF WACK DC (GUEST):  Right and there are some kids from what I've heard over the years now are going to chiropractic school having never been adjusted which to me just like what in the world where did that come from?

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  And then they don't start teaching the chiropractic student how to adjust until they're almost out of school.

DR JEFF WACK DC (GUEST):  Right and adjusting, adjusting Dennis Nikketo told me years ago because when I followed Dr. Pierce early on and he came out with an instrument called the Precision Spinal Adjuster which is similar to the Arthur O'Stim, they're still out there in some doctor's offices, I've gone to the Arthur O'Stim because I feel it's more ergonomically comfortable for me to use and I had a hard time being a Sherman graduate because when I graduated Sherman it was known as the Sherman College of Straight Chiropractic. So philosophy, philosophy, adjustment, just a vertebraic cell position, but it was hands on, that was the message and then when I started going to Pierce seminars and he developed this instrument now I kind of struggled with it might be true to chiropractic because it mattered to me and it needs to matter to people and Dennis Nikketo I had him out for a seminar at my office with a few other doctor's offices in the area and I explained to him my issue here and he said, Jeff, using an instrument is like an artist with a brush, you're expressing through the instrument, your art onto the canvas through the instrument and it's no different that it's electronic as opposed to a paintbrush that's not and whoa, boom, unlocked all the doors for me, I was good from that moment on, it just needed to hear it and that's why it's so important we go to these seminars and stuff too because that's how I met Dennis was at a living principal seminar in Pittsburgh they used to have a few times a year with West Trout and his wife, Alene and he since passed on but all these great speakers that I hear today a lot of them started at living principals.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Yeah, so I kind of want to go a few layers deeper with you, you said that you used to go to SigaFoos gatherings and then here it says that you were mentored by Reggie Gold too.

DR JEFF WACK DC (GUEST):  Well, I mean I knew Reggie not terribly well personally but we, I met him at Sherman College and we had a few, you know, need to need conversations over the years but it wasn't like I called Reggie on the weekend and say, hey, Reggie, what's going on? But you know, he also, we invited him up to our office where I first started out of college, he was a group practice, his gentleman Larry Wilkins owned the office, he was a good friend to Dr. Pierce which is how I got to know Pierce better by spending time at the research center and doing some one-on-one time with him but we brought Reggie in and a couple of us went out to the airport to pick him up and bring him to the office so that's where we had, you know, a little banter going on there so, you know, and just one thing I thought about too as far as the importance of all of these seminars and kind of rubbing elbows with our chiropractic brothers and sisters, my daughter recently started college out at Montana State a few weeks ago and around May or June I realized like my daughter's going across the country and nobody's ever adjusted her but me, I got to find her a chiropractic. Well, how do you do that? So I put it on the New Beginnings page and lo and behold, the right person shows up, her name is Dr. Kim Maxwell and she's from Bozeman, she's a native of Bozeman, she practices in Bozeman a mile from my daughter's dorm and I went out and she's friends with Sean Powers who has been her mentor for 20 years and as soon as I talked to her she told me she was connected to Sean I knew that's where my daughter needs to go, there's no need to look any further and that connection was made and that's when you have these kinds of relationships with good principal doctors, again the universe provides, I just put it out there, I found her, she's perfect, I met her a few weeks ago and she's in the right place and I feel very good about that, I have no concerns about my daughter's chiropractic care while she's not home.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  I love that. I know that we're getting to the last nine minutes of our show together so I do want to make sure that we cover some of the things that I think that we can make some impact with. I'm going to go like lightning round with you for the next nine minutes so let's see how much juice we can squeeze out of the next five minutes. Why is it important to get involved with organizations like New Beginnings and to be connected with political stance stateside?

DR JEFF WACK DC (GUEST):  Well New Beginnings is just one of the many organizations, you have mile high and different groups that are getting together these days with great speakers, a lot of them travel to all the same speakers going to the same programs but the message is always a little bit different even if it's from the same people and it keeps your, it keeps your tank full, it keeps you sharp, it gives you just a few little tidbits, you know I've been in practice 37 years back in June and I can never remember not going to a seminar and getting something to come back to the office with that I now included in my table talk and my dialogue with my patients and it's all those little things that you know keep your energy up because patients pick up on that and if your energy is not right you're not going to get your point across to your patient no matter what you tell them or how you adjust them. As far as state organizations I'm now on the board of the chiropractic fellowship of Pennsylvania and this is a group that's been around since the late 60s which a group of principal chiropractors started and we protect the doctors in Pennsylvania for the right to practice on people of all ages regardless of their health status regardless of how old or young they are whether they're symptomatic or not symptomatic and we also protect the right for us to x-ray to locate and analyze and correct part of our civilization and that's very important and those are things that some people want to take away from us people even within our state were threatening to take away some of those rights if not all of them and they were other chiropractors so what their objective is and what their end game is I have no concept but you know fortunately we have a watchdog group that is a few of us now that is going to get stronger and stronger we have a new mission to recruit more members in the state because I think a lot of people honestly don't know what we do in the value but that's that's what our Pennsylvania organization does so I can't speak for other organizations out there but I'm also a member of the ICA which I feel very strongly through the people that are on the board in particular Selena Sicapus who I've known for many years through her dad and her husband Kevin Jackson very good friend of mine and I believe in what they stand for and these are people taking their time their talent and their treasure and putting it out there to protect a principal you know they don't know who they're helping when they're trying to trying to do these these programs and and gather and get politically involved in federal government level issues and it's all to protect something that the public needs why it's so hard to protect something that seems so right is really bizarre but that seems to be where we're at in history and I I when people say well you know what's what do you see as the future of chiropractic it all depends honestly on who is in the positions of power that can make the decisions who's on their boards you know you have to get involved because this is what's going to save the principal chiropractors and the rest of them can go do whatever it is they do maybe under another banner I don't know what the what the solution

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  is well I think that that's a very well spoken message to people of why to get involved with their state organizations and to get into leadership positions it might not be glamorous you know you might not get a bunch of paths on the back but I also believe that your network is your net worth and if you have a concentrated effort of high integrity individuals that are doing the right thing and wanting to protect and preserve this profession that's where you need to go. So if you're a student out there I know our number one sector of like listenership are young docs people love this show the young docs love it because they can come on and see guys that have been practicing for a long time or gals have been practicing a long time and they can get their little nugget out of this like you said the same people out there on those stages on the circuit you can hear them on 10 different stages but you're going to get a different takeaway from everybody out there on the different day of the week and that's kind of like what this show provides to people now there's a sobering agenda for the new practitioner that watches this and loves what Chiro hustle stands for to go out there and join their state organizations to go out there and join the ICA to go out there and support Sherman College of Chiro Pride to cus sponsors our show like go out there and get connected with good organizations like New Beginnings and mile high and Chiro Fest and focus Oklahoma and Cal jam and dynamic essentials like get out there and go and support people that believe in the philosophy of this profession that believe in the power of the

DR JEFF WACK DC (GUEST):  adjustment we talked a little bit earlier before we started about you know staying proactive in everything because you know it I years years ago I was one of those people that's like hey nobody's knocking at my door so why do I need to care about any of those things especially you know donating my money like to what what do they do and now I really understand it and by the time the wolves are at the door it's too late so this is all about keeping them at bay it's about looking out for your own and this is your this is your family this is a family of people that practice this principle and believe in it and the more members of the family the stronger it'll be and everyone's welcome to be part of the family.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  My spoke many years ago now in Boulder at mile high philosophy night which used to be just like little gatherings that we'd have around Colorado and my talk was unity through diversity and the takeaway on that is I could go get it five appointments at five chiropractors on five straight days and every chiropractor will check detecting correct retrieval subluxation a little bit different and just to know that every chiropractor practices a different art is probably the most beautiful thing that I've ever been able to take away from this profession that not every chiropractor is the same not every chiropractor will be the same and that's the thing that makes this such a beautiful opportunity for people to understand chiropractic from a different looking glass is that I think the good example was

DR JEFF WACK DC (GUEST):  when I I you and I got together down at lysium and had a nice talk and I went in and adjusted you and we happened to walk in on a room full of network practitioners and kind of like oh are we okay here and I I did the you know so called standard adjustment where there was a little little audible going on there and I think the table was was already cocked we didn't know that and it banged on us and we're like whoa we disturbing the network people but they did their thing you know you find your own way as a as an adjuster to I mean the people say well what what technique do you use I use the Jeff technique you know I started out with upper cervical hio at Sherman and I evolved into some of dr. Pierce's work then I talked to different friends of mine when I was stuck with something and they say try this and I try it and it's just everything's in your toolbox and there's nothing off limits as far as you as long as your objective is to be located again correct in vertebral

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  self-luxation well I love this interview let's close people out with a miracle story over the lifetime of your practice what's one thing that you've seen happen that like you know makes you feel enthusiastic about chiropractic well you know what I thought about that I was

DR JEFF WACK DC (GUEST):  actually cutting my grass before I got on with you today I get very contemplative on the tractor and as far as miracles go you know you hear all these people that you know had one foot in the grave and then they went on to live another 40 years and early on in my practice I had a young lady come in and she told me she did real well and she told me about her dad Gilbert who I forget several tanks of oxygen a week he was on he had kidney or excuse me liver problems and he was jaundice and I said well you know bring him in let's take a look at him you know he's doesn't sound like he didn't do good of shape so what could we lose so she brought in Gilbert and I forget how many times I saw him but like within a couple weeks he was down to like one tank of oxygen a week and Gilbert probably lived I want to say maybe even less than a year from the time I met him but I bought him some time through my knowledge and my privilege to be a chiropractor to put my hands on somebody like that that had totally lost hope was just waiting to die and he had a few extra months of life and I went and saw him in the hospital and I don't know you know he was I'm sure he was on some medication as well but he saw me as like oh Jeffrey whack what a beautiful name thank you so much for everything you did for me and I was the last time I saw him and that you know to me that's that's a miracle you know it doesn't have to be they lived another 40 50 years or cancer went away or whatever this guy was gonna die in weeks and we bought him some time and that's that to me is one of the greatest gifts you know I

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  I've been doing chiropractic marketing events Dr. Jeff for a number of years now and I just got done doing the Alaska State Fair which I've done for the past seven years and the first time I went up there I went to four days of it and I just got to 47 people and a lot of times I don't get a chance to see like the end results of people that show up to these offices and like receive chiropractic services or get adjusted and I was working long day was raining like terrible weather in Alaska about a week ago this guy comes up he's like you guys saved my life I'm like really he's like yeah my name's Scott and you scheduled me into this clinic down in Anchorage and I went and I saw that doctor and he changed my life and I was like did you've changed my life because I can't tell you the thousands upon thousands of people that I've sent into an office and I've never seen them before I never saw them a second time so for you to come back and to tell me that you're still getting adjusted and that that was seven years ago like that's my miracle story and I was like can I take a picture with you he's like for sure so I took a quick picture with them and I sent it to the practicing doc down there and I was like look who I found today one of the first people I scheduled into your clinic seven years ago and it matters man because now that guy's a better human and if we checked everybody's atlases that we're making decisions politically we'd have a whole different outlook on life I believe no doubt so with those stories I really appreciate you being our guest today and 550 of the Chiro Hustle podcast if people want to reach out to you or work with you or learn more about

DR JEFF WACK DC (GUEST):  you work and we send them my office is Nazareth chiropractic and Nazareth Pennsylvania my website is www.nazciro.com that's nazciro.com I also have a Facebook page as well and anybody's welcome to call stop in you know if you're a student or a doctor in the area just give me a little have lunch we'll talk shop and just one of the quick thought I had is when don't don't just keep hanging around people that are yes people and agree with you all the time the thing you need to do sometimes even if you've been in practice 30 40 50 years is go challenge your beliefs get out there and get somebody to say no no that's that's not the way no think about it this way because you never know it all you're never going to know it all and just be up up for learning every single day in this profession well I'm

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  so thankful for this opportunity to have you on our show today thank you for giving us your time and talent and thanks for believing in what we do over here at Chiro hustle I'm going to close out by telling everybody you guys are just one story way keep hustling and Dr. Jeff I want you to have a great rest of your day okay thank you Jim I appreciate

DR JEFF WACK DC (GUEST):  and thanks for all you do for chiropractic thank you man I'll talk to you soon thanks

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Thanks for listening to Chiro hustle don't forget to subscribe to our channels and give us a 5-star rating on iTunes and check back next week to continue hustling.

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